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- DATE: FEB. 22, 1991 16:24 REPORT:
- TO: SPL
- FOR: BIRNBA
- CC:
- BUREAU: CAIRO
- BY: LARA MARLOWE
- IN: RIYADH
- SLUG: INTERROGATION
-
- Many of the Iraqi defectors who have braved minefields
- and threats of execution to flee to Saudi Arabia are
- identified only by the prisoner serial numbers given by
- their captors. Their former senior officers in Kuwait and
- Iraq convinced them that spies in the Saudi army will
- relay their names to Baghdad and the men refuse even to
- reveal their names and rank to their interrogators.
- Correctly or not, they believe that back in Iraq, the
- families of other defectors have already been executed.
-
- At week's end, the coalition partners held some 1,900
- Iraqi prisoners of war. Under the 1949 Geneva Convention,
- no distinction is made between deserters and those
- captured in combat, but military sources say
- approximately 25 per cent of the men are deserters. Some
- have told chilling stories of seeing colleagues who tried
- to cross over to allied lines left to hang in the desert
- as an example.
-
- Prisoners captured this week said their commanding
- officers were being held directly accountable for
- desertion and that all troops were being forced to sign
- an oath promising not to desert, according to US Marine
- Corps General Richard Neal. The same prisoners told their
- American interrogators that Iraqi troops are using
- Kuwaiti civilian vehicles such as garbage trucks and
- station wagons - a move which US officers interpreted as
- an attempt protect military supply operations by using
- civilian cover.
-
- Most of the prisoners are conscripts or enlisted men of
- low rank, with little knowledge of Iraqi strategy or
- planning. About five per cent are low ranking officers.
- Their average age is about 25 and they appear to be
- generally fit. An Iraqi infantry Lt Colonel captured in a
- US helicopter attack on Iraqi bunkers this week is so far
- the highest ranking prisoner. No Republican Guards have
- been captured.
-
- The majority of Iraqi prisoners talk willingly to their
- captors - any form of pressure or coercion is forbidden.
- Their limited knowledge is mainly useful for what it
- reveals about fuel and food supplies and morale.
- "Essentially the trooper on the line doesn't know too
- much except what's going on to his right or to his left,
- and maybe within the platoon he's a member of," said
- General Neal.
-
- Through Iraqi deserters, the Americans have learned that
- Iraqi troops have been forced to dig deep into the
- supplies built up before the air war to survive in the
- desert. General Neal said debriefings showed that "in his
- rush to get even more forces down in to the Kuwaiti
- theater of operations" Saddam Hussein sent many soldiers
- who were "ill-prepared, ill-armed and ill-trained."
-
- Not all of the prisoners are cowed defeatists. "We find
- some really incorrigible hi-ball types," said a senior
- American officer. "We were very impressed by the tenacity
- of the Iraqis who fought at Khafji."
-
- But because the least motivated troops are the most
- likely to surrender, the information they provide is
- suspect. "These guys were not in the war for the long
- haul," said an American officer. "Some have had as little
- as six weeks military training. Others are veterans of
- the Iran-Iraq war." The veterans are particularly war
- weary.
-
- "Collecting information from prisoners is a winnowing
- process," said an American officer. The US rates
- prisoners to indicate their value as a source of
- information - A to C for the value of their knowledge, 1
- to 3 for their willingness to talk. Kuwaiti volunteers in
- army uniforms often act as interpretors for the
- interrogation of Iraqi prisoners.
-
- Morale among prisoners varies. "You find some who say,
- 'Thank God I'm away from the bombs' and some who are
- sullen and ashamed to have been taken prisoner," said
- Jean Rigopoulo, head of the International Committee of
- the Red Cross in Riyadh. "Most are worried about their
- families."
-
- British and French commanders have agreed to transfer
- the prisoners they take to American 'processing centers'
- before turning them over to Saudi custody. But the Saudis
- will not let Iraqis captured by Arab troops be
- interrogated by the Americans - a move which the
- Americans say deprives them of potentially valuable
- information. "In the early stages of a campaign, there
- are always some administrative problems," said a senior
- American officer, tacitly acknowledging the problem.
-
- King Fahd has said that all of the prisoners are 'Hajis'
- - religious pilgrims to the cities of Mecca and Medina -
- and promised to treat them with the respect due to
- pilgrims.
-
- The Saudis allow the Americans to submit written
- questions for the Iraqi prisoners, but the Americans
- claim the Saudi interrogators fail to ask follow-up
- questions and are slow in providing transcripts of their
- interviews with prisoners. If left unresolved, the
- problem could become more serious with the onslaught of a
- ground offensive when upwards of 100,000 prisoners may be
- taken. Most of the prisoners captured during the first
- five weeks of the war were from front line troops. "Only
- when you get more senior soldiers from the rear lines
- will you get really useful intelligence," said an allied
- officer.
-
- Red Cross delegate Rigopoulo has already visited dozens
- of Iraqi prisoners. The prisoners did not mistake the
- Swiss relief workers for western officers. "The first
- thing they say is, 'By the way, my bother never came back
- from Iran. Do you have any news of him?' said Rigopoulo,
- who was in charge of the repatriation of Iraqi prisoners
- of war after Iraq made peace with Iran last autumn.
-
- Through their experience of the Iran-Iraq war, the
- prisoners are also familiar with the Red Cross system of
- sending letter to families via Geneva. The prisoner
- writes on the first part of the form letter, and the
- family writes back on the second part. By the time a
- letter is censored by Saudi and Iraqi officials six
- months may pass before the prisoner receives news of his
- family. "Whenever I go into a camp, they jump up and say
- 'I want to send a message'," said Rigopoulo. "Many of
- them have had no communication with their families for
- months while they were out in the desert. They have heard
- about the bombing of Baghdad and they are very worried."
- Deserters are often afraid to write to their families for
- fear of notifying the Iraqi authorities.
-
- "Quite obviously, the prisoners do not fear the
- Americans," said Rigopoulo. He has only one objection to
- the way prisoners have been treated. Prisoners captured
- at sea in the Gulf and 400 Iraqi soldiers captured at
- Khafji were filmed by western television crews in
- violation of article 13 of the Geneva Convention. While
- the filming of Iraqi prisoners cannot be compared to the
- forced television appearances of allied pilots captured
- in Iraq, the Red Cross has asked that prisoners be kept
- away from the press. "A prisoner is not a criminal who
- needs to be punished," said Rigopoulo. "A prisoner is
- someone who has done his duty and has to be removed from
- the combat zone."
-
- The Saudis are preparing two large camps capable of
- accomodating as many as 200,000 prisoners of war. There
- will be a third camp for Iraqi officers. All prisoners
- are provided with tents, showers toilets and clothing
- commensurate with that of their allied counterparts. "I
- would even say they get better treatment," said
- Rigopoulo. "The prisoners are given fresh food that they
- cook themselves - chicken, beef, vegetables and rice. The
- poor Americans have to eat MREs (Meals Ready to Eat)."
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